Recorded mid-“Future of Critique”-conference in the former West German capital of Bonn, this conversation with New York-based artist & consultant DENA YAGO (formerly K-HOLE) and artist JOSHUA CITARELLA real-talk-debriefs some of the structural models on which legacy criticism built its house. Topics include: the museum’s changing cultural status, the knock-on effects of “anti-gatekeeping” discourse, speculative near-future museum defense strategies, the alt paths of younger artists, and what publishing models stand a chance post-2022.