This conversation with David Gissen uses his two book Subnature and Manhattan Atmospheres in order to demystify the politically charged romanticism of a “green” nature. We talk about the unwanted matter of architecture: dust, puddles, debris, exhaust as components of a subnature that carry in them more ambiguous socio-political narratives than the marketable greenness. The second part of the conversation is particularly attached to the history of the atmospheric urbanity of Manhattan, before we end by introducing David’s project (see below) to reproduce the mound of dirt of the 1871 Paris Commune on which the Vendôme Column had been ceremonially destroyed.

David Gissen is associate professor of architecture at the California College of the Arts. Gissen is the author of the books Manhattan Atmospheres: Architecture, the Interior Environment and Urban Crisis (2014) and Subnature: Architecture’s Other Environments (Princeton Architectural Press, 2009) and editor of the “Territory” issue of AD Journal (2010). His essays and research are published in journals such as AA FilesGrey RoomCasabellaDomusCabinetLogQuadernsVolume, the Journal of Architecture, and the Journal of Architectural Education; books such as Design Ecologies (Princeton Architectural Press, 2009), Air (MIT Press, 2011), Coupling (Princeton Architectural Press, 2011), Landform Building (Lars Mueller, 2011), and Imperfect Health (Canadian Centre for Architecture, 2012).

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