In this weeks episode I talk to the great writer and artist Larissa Pham. Larissa writes for, among others, The Nation and The Paris Review. She’s also written a novella “Fantasian, a New Lovers” published by Paul Chan’s imprint, Badlands Unlimited and is soon coming out with what she calls a mixtape of personal writing and essays, “How to Run Away” to be published by Catapult. Here we get into her thoughts on the rise and need for the personal in writing and when it goes too far, how art helps the artist to both express and disguise personal vulnerability, and what she learned working in a sex shop. We also maybe (maybe) get into her relationship with The Nation’s endorsement of Bernie Sanders and how “your politics can’t have limits.” Incels, we see you. Vote for Bernie.